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In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey talk through the desire to have security and how this is expressed in the qualities of the Enneagram Type 6. Singer-songwriter and licensed therapist Jill Phillips joins the show and shares how the desire to be secure has shaped her life as well as her journey to tell the difference between security and safety. Everyone plays You’ve Got Problems, where Jill may choose to eat a bowl of teeth.



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Hosts Jesse Eubanks and Lindsey Lewis
Producer Anna Tran
This episode was edited by Anna Tran and Kevin Morris
Music for this episode comes from Lee Rosevere and Murphy D.X.