“How does grief change us, and can it be put to good use?” In this episode of the Say More series, Jesse and Lindsey explore the concept of “marveling” in conversations—finding moments of awe and wonder together. Then, Lindsey sits down with John Onwuchekwa, an Atlanta-based pastor, entrepreneur, and author, to discuss how profound loss and grief have shaped his journey. John shares his story of facing unexpected tragedy, grappling with ambiguous loss, and learning to hold both sorrow and joy. Through his experiences with faith and community, John offers valuable insights on how hope can emerge even in life’s darkest moments. The episode wraps up with practical advice for navigating grief, building resilience, and discovering meaning amid life’s challenges.
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CREDITS
Hosts Jesse Eubanks and Lindsey Lewis
Producer Anna Tran
This episode was edited by Anna Tran and Kevin Morris
Music for this episode comes from Lee Rosevere and Murphy D.X.
