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“How do we find strength in faith when faced with betrayal, trauma, and public scrutiny?” In this episode, Jesse sits down with Grammy-winning rapper, bestselling author, and activist Lecrae to dive deep into faith, resilience, and self-awareness. Lecrae opens up about his journey through complex trauma, father wounds, and the pressures of fame—all while pursuing spiritual growth. He shares how deconstructing and rebuilding his faith helped him find a deeper sense of purpose and identity, even amid public criticism and personal doubt. Together, they explore the challenges of maintaining integrity in the public eye and the importance of knowing oneself to truly serve others. The conversation wraps with Lecrae’s insights on relating better, where he challenges listeners to see others for who they are, not just who we want them to be.

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CREDITS

Hosts Jesse Eubanks and Lindsey Lewis
Producer Anna Tran
This episode was edited by Anna Tran and Kevin Morris
Music for this episode comes from Lee Rosevere and Murphy D.X.