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As we continue our Say More series about the art of conversation, Jesse and Lindsey explore how we can adapt our body language to improve our conversations. Then, Lindsey has a conversation with South African spiritual director and author Trevor Hudson where they explore what it means to be a spiritual pilgrim and the hardship of feeling discontent in life.

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Hosts Jesse Eubanks and Lindsey Lewis
Producer Anna Tran
This episode was edited by Anna Tran and Kevin Morris
Music for this episode comes from Lee Rosevere and Murphy D.X.